PREPARE for Something Amazing! My Debate With Jeremy Hammond on Israel Will Air Tonight

Wow that was SO much fun. What a thrill to be on the Tom Woods show! He really is one of my favorite, if not actually my #1 favorite libertarian speaker. He is a scathing but light-hearted and hilarious cynic, with a biting sarcasm and wit possibly even more scathing than my own. He just does it better than me I think and with more poise, while I am more spastic and emotional. He can destroy any statist argument in seconds and he is entertaining as anything.

Here is Tom at his best. I loved this talk.

Here is what he writes in preview of our debate on his site:

There aren’t too many countries created from scratch before our eyes, so that historical episode raises important and interesting questions, for libertarians in particular.

Here’s the resolution: “Israel was founded on the basis of legitimate homesteading of land and reclamation of lost Jewish property from previous generations of Jews.”

Arguing in the affirmative: Rafi Farber.
Arguing in the negative: Jeremy R. Hammond.

The episode is already recorded, so I can tell you: this topic is debated in a manner that is at once civil, engaging, and informative.

I decided to host a debate on the topic when I discovered that Walter Block and the late Murray Rothbard, two Jewish libertarians, disagreed on the issue. So I thought we ought to hash it out and see what conclusions we can reach.

Now you’ll never guess: on Twitter, someone demanded to know why I was allowing a debate on the legitimacy of the state of Israel. Why not Germany, England, France, etc.?

I found the question obtuse. How about because major libertarians disagree, and it’s good to try to resolve disagreements? Or how about the significance for current events of the circumstances surrounding the creation of Israel? Only if we understand Israel’s birth correctly can we form correct judgments about ongoing events in our own day.

Keep reading…

I’m not sure exactly how well I performed because I haven’t actually heard it yet, and you people in the US will probably hear it before me because it will be Shabbos here in Israel by the time it’s online. But I believe I did very well, at least in my own head. I dug in there with my Jewish claws so to speak and didn’t let go, and spoke from the soul about Rome, Har Habayit (the Temple Mount), Ma’arat Hamachpela (Cave of the Patriarchs), the expulsion from Gush Katif (Gazan Jewish settlements) and other topics. I also made a request of Tom personally as a Catholic libertarian at the end of the debate which you will hopefully hear, and I am serious about the request. It has to do with the Vatican and some stuff they have.

I have to commend Jeremy for a respectful debate. I believe he and I made history here, along with Tom, in conducting this discussion civilly. You’ll hear in the debate that we actually agree on much of the practical solutions to this conflict, which happen to be very similar to the solutions of Moshe Feiglin.

No Jeremy and those that agree with him generally will not turn into Feiglinites any time soon, that I’m certain of. But on principle, paying the Christian and Muslim Judeans to leave voluntarily (and with that nomenclature I’m giving you a small hint of the direction of my argument) is a solution that Jeremy did not object to on principle if the non Jewish people now living in Israel so desire to leave for money.

I believe they do. So let’s get it done.

Enjoy the show! You’ll find it here some time today. I will link to it on Motzash.

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3 thoughts on “PREPARE for Something Amazing! My Debate With Jeremy Hammond on Israel Will Air Tonight

  1. I think you presented a very good and complete case, while Jeremy chose not to acknowledge the persecution of Jewish people and confiscation of property. This fact does matter a lot –historically being driven out, as well as your point about “non-usable” land (i don’t remember the legal term) Vs. arab owned land.

    You made a great case, Jeremy could not move beyond “technicalities.”

  2. I can’t wait to hear the exchange. Civil conversations about the existence of Israel…unheard of! I am no fan of any state, so I’m not sure how a libertarian will make a case for a state that I will accept. However, I’ve read enough about the founding of Israel to understand that it may be the first nation in history to buy its’ way into existence, and therefore it has more legitimacy than most.

    Looking forward to hearing the discussion.

    • Hey Ron, long time no comment! Good to hear from you. You’ll be hearing it before I do (assuming you hear it today). At points it may get just a little bit religiously touchy in terms of Judaism vs Christianity, but not too much I don’t think. I didn’t focus all that much on the buying part, though there were attempts at that as Jeremy actually pointed out himself. I was focusing more on our claim from Rome and no statute of limitations, as well as a clever deductive argument that the Palestinians, if they are indeed indigenous, must actually be Jews originally, with biological evidence supporting that.

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